Was contacted by April, who is helping work out the ancestry for Danny, the man who reached out to me but didn't know his paternal ancestry. April's husband is also a DNA match for Danny.
In looking at his GEDMatch number, her husband didn't match me, my dad or my 2nd cousin, so this leads me to believe that we are both related to Danny on different lines.
Danny's connection to me is estimated to be at 4.4 generations to the most recent common ancestor at GEDMatch, we match at chromosome 6.
Hopefully, some of the other matches at chromosome 6 will overlap with Danny and provide some clues as to who the common ancestor might be.
I know that it is possible, as I have read about these cases being solved on various DNA discussion groups. We just need more to test.
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Monday, August 22, 2016
Sunday, August 21, 2016
Charting the atDNA matches
I sent out a massive spreadsheet with charts of those who matched myself, my father and cousin Jeffrey hoping to spur further research and collaboration. I tentatively called the spreadsheet "LeMaster atDNA", even though many of these matches will turn out to be cousins that share other uplines. At the least, since the common ancestry of dad, Jeffrey and myself is Luman Cooper LeMasters and Barbara Isabel Wehrly we know that these matches are cousins somewhere in the upline.
My sheets had a page where all of the matches were listed, then a table showing how I had compared each match to each other and how many segments and centimorgans were shared. Still another chart had the total amounts of shared DNA mapped out with the chromosome and the start and end point. Each chromosome had its own separate sheet of data where I graphed out the overlapping segments.
At first glance, chromosomes 7 and 15 seem to have a lot of overlap amongst the group of people I've been able to compare. I'm so thankful for sites like GEDMatch - i just wish more people would upload their results.
Only one email address from GEDMatch was a bounce, and I've already had a reply from someone who is helping, Danny, the gentleman who reached out to me earlier. Danny's paternal ancestry is a unknown to him at this point, and that is where we match, so this will be an interesting journey.
My sheets had a page where all of the matches were listed, then a table showing how I had compared each match to each other and how many segments and centimorgans were shared. Still another chart had the total amounts of shared DNA mapped out with the chromosome and the start and end point. Each chromosome had its own separate sheet of data where I graphed out the overlapping segments.
At first glance, chromosomes 7 and 15 seem to have a lot of overlap amongst the group of people I've been able to compare. I'm so thankful for sites like GEDMatch - i just wish more people would upload their results.
Only one email address from GEDMatch was a bounce, and I've already had a reply from someone who is helping, Danny, the gentleman who reached out to me earlier. Danny's paternal ancestry is a unknown to him at this point, and that is where we match, so this will be an interesting journey.
Tuesday, August 16, 2016
Reaching out to close matches
Reached out this weekend to all of my close matches at AncestryDNA and encouraged them to share or link their results to a family tree. So many people have tested there and haven't bothered to even enter rudimentary information about their family tree. A couple of my matches had a family tree, but didn't link their trees to their DNA results.
I encouraged each one of those matches to upload their results to GEDMatch so we could compare chromosomes.
In addition, I reached out to matches that I shared in common with my cousin Jeffrey - so I know those matches should either match me on the upline from the LeMaster/Wehrly line.
So far, the only response I've received one response. Danny, a man who is predicted to be a 4th-6th cousin, who doesn't know his father. He has uploaded to GEDMatch, so I will try to help see where we have a match.
I encouraged each one of those matches to upload their results to GEDMatch so we could compare chromosomes.
In addition, I reached out to matches that I shared in common with my cousin Jeffrey - so I know those matches should either match me on the upline from the LeMaster/Wehrly line.
So far, the only response I've received one response. Danny, a man who is predicted to be a 4th-6th cousin, who doesn't know his father. He has uploaded to GEDMatch, so I will try to help see where we have a match.
Sunday, August 14, 2016
Baby Steps : LeMaster and Wehrly DNA
Made contact with Jeffrey, an AncestryDNA match who was predicted to be a 3rd cousin to see if we could compare information and chart our common DNA. Jeff and I are actually 2nd cousins once removed - our common ancestors were Luman Cooper LeMasters and Barbara Isabel Wehrly.
According to AncestryDNA, we shared 189 cM over 10 DNA segments. Unfortunately, AncestryDNA doesn't give you a chromosome browser to show you exactly which chromosomes we match on. It's knowing where we match that can help segregate which DNA comes from the LeMaster side.
I was able to have Jeffrey to upload his AncestryDNA results to the 3rd party site GEDMatch. Here are the results of the comparison of our DNA:
They only match on 4 segments for 62.5 cM. The matching chromosomes are on 2,8,15 & 16.
I also compared Jeffrey to my dad, to see what DNA they share together.
Jeffrey and my dad share 11 matching segments and 344.5 cM of DNA, much more than he shares with Debbie or myself. The chromosomes they match on are 3,4,5,6,7,8,10,15,18 & 21 - including two sections on chromosome 6, just like he shared with me.
The common ancestry of all of us testing above are the LeMaster and Wehrly lines, so the DNA we share has to come from these branches or upline from them. Right now chromosome 6 seems to be behaving very interestingly.
I'm beginning to collect data on matches that I share from the three testing sites to chart out an mark which DNA is coming from which side of the family. This will come in handy for helping those distant matches that triangulate with us in finding the common ancestors.
I was able to have Jeffrey to upload his AncestryDNA results to the 3rd party site GEDMatch. Here are the results of the comparison of our DNA:
GEDMatch shows us matching on 8 segments and 192.4 cM. The differences between AncestryDNA and GEDMatch are due to the cutoff minimum in GEDMatch to be counted as a matching segment.
As you can see, Jeffrey and I match on chromosomes 4,5,6,8,15,18 & 21. We have a break in chromosome 6 with two long stretches of shared DNA.
Next, I compared Jeffrey's results with that of my first cousin Debbie to see where they matched each other.
I also compared Jeffrey to my dad, to see what DNA they share together.
Jeffrey and my dad share 11 matching segments and 344.5 cM of DNA, much more than he shares with Debbie or myself. The chromosomes they match on are 3,4,5,6,7,8,10,15,18 & 21 - including two sections on chromosome 6, just like he shared with me.
The common ancestry of all of us testing above are the LeMaster and Wehrly lines, so the DNA we share has to come from these branches or upline from them. Right now chromosome 6 seems to be behaving very interestingly.
I'm beginning to collect data on matches that I share from the three testing sites to chart out an mark which DNA is coming from which side of the family. This will come in handy for helping those distant matches that triangulate with us in finding the common ancestors.
Monday, August 01, 2016
DNA: More Testing in a Different Pond
Activated three AncestryDNA kits this weekend - one for my wife and one for each of my parents. This will be the second test for them, as they have already tested at 23andMe. Hoping that by fishing for relatives in another pond, we will discover more clues and relatives.
I was able to show mom & dad this weekend the different number of matches that I had received through AncestryDNA, including many on my paternal side. I've already reached out to some 2nd and 3rd cousins and have encouraged them to upload their results to GEDMatch so we can compare on a chromosome browser.
I've not done much recently with my DNA results, but hope to get back into it now that my new job situation has settled down a bit.
I was able to show mom & dad this weekend the different number of matches that I had received through AncestryDNA, including many on my paternal side. I've already reached out to some 2nd and 3rd cousins and have encouraged them to upload their results to GEDMatch so we can compare on a chromosome browser.
I've not done much recently with my DNA results, but hope to get back into it now that my new job situation has settled down a bit.
Friday, July 15, 2016
DNA : First Cousin Match at AncestryDNA
Unfortunately, AncestryDNA doesn't offer a chromosome browser to show me exactly where we match and use that to compare against other matches.
My cousin's husband and I have been corresponding, they did they DNA test for the ethnicity results, and have a tree at the site. My cousin's results were updated to GEDMATCH, and below are the results.
GEDMatch predicts the estimated number of generations to a MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) to be 2 generations - which is correct, we share common grandparents.
We share DNA on 24 matching segments as detailed in the chart. I will use this data to begin mapping other matches against me and my cousin. I can check my other known paternal line matches and see where we all match and segment out the various lines to determine if the additional matches are through the LeMaster side or the Haley side.
Now I have DNA results from my paternal side at AncestryDNA and my maternal side at FamilyTreeDNA and both are uploaded to GEDMatch.
Friday, April 01, 2016
Eileen's DNA : GEDMATCH match with Slovenian or Austrian roots?
A match at GEDMATCH for Eileen reached out to see if we could establish a connection and asked if she had any ancestry from Slovenia or Austria. Do not know of any, but the match was predicted to be about 5 generations back.
Wrote back to the match and shared the link to the pedigree chart I've prepared. The match did not match Eileen's mother, so the match is on her father's side.
Will be interested to see what comes back from this. The match is at AncestryDNA, which Eileen hasn't submitted a test kit yet.
Wrote back to the match and shared the link to the pedigree chart I've prepared. The match did not match Eileen's mother, so the match is on her father's side.
Will be interested to see what comes back from this. The match is at AncestryDNA, which Eileen hasn't submitted a test kit yet.
Thursday, September 17, 2015
Triangulation
Made a connection with my first good case of triangulation on chromosome 15 today. Contacted a recent match at 23andMe (Robert) and began looking at the possibilities. What I discovered was that we matched at the same point as a known relative - and therefore we have triangulation!
Robert matches both me and my mother at the same location on chromosome 15. 23andMe rounds the start and end points to be as follows: for both my mother and me, the shared start point is 81000000, for me the end point is 89000000 and for my mother the end point is 90000000. Not much of a difference, but Robert shares a slightly longer segment of DNA with my mother (10.4 cM) than with me (9.3 cM).
Robert also has his results uploaded at GEDMatch, and I was able to confirm the results, the start and end locations for matches with me are as follows:
Robert's results for the start and end location of the match with mom was nearly the same :
Mildred is my maternal 1st cousin 3 times removed. Her grandmother was the half-sister of my 2nd-great grandmother, Ida Davis. The common ancestor between Mildred and myself is Mary Ellen Swafford (1854-1932).
This is how I match with Mildred (note chromosome 15) :
My mother matches Mildred even more (note chromosome 15) :
Because Robert matches on the exact same chromosome in the exact same location to not only me, my mother and Mildred, we have triangulation on this spot, indicating that the match is Identical by Descent, rather than Identical by Segment. Anyone that matches all of us at this same chromosome and segment must be related through the same line. Because the common ancestry between myself and Mildred is Mary Ellen Swafford, so the DNA either came from her or one of her ancestors.
Robert is predicted by 23andMe to be a 3rd to distant cousin. We share just one segment and 0.13% of our DNA. GEDMatch predicted that the estimated number of generations to the MRCA is 5.2 generations.
One of the surname's in Robert's ancestry is Thacker, and there is a Thacker-Swafford connection, but in the correspondence so far, the names do not match up. Robert's tree is just getting started, and I hope that by sending my contact an outline of Swafford ancestry we can find a common name. My thought is that the connection is further up line from Mary Ellen Swafford. She has several female ancestors with unknown maiden names.
The DNA game is an exciting one to play around in, and I appreciate any suggestions or tips.
Robert matches both me and my mother at the same location on chromosome 15. 23andMe rounds the start and end points to be as follows: for both my mother and me, the shared start point is 81000000, for me the end point is 89000000 and for my mother the end point is 90000000. Not much of a difference, but Robert shares a slightly longer segment of DNA with my mother (10.4 cM) than with me (9.3 cM).
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| 23andMe Segment matches with Robert, I'm green, mom's is blue |
Robert also has his results uploaded at GEDMatch, and I was able to confirm the results, the start and end locations for matches with me are as follows:
Robert's results for the start and end location of the match with mom was nearly the same :
But what really got me excited was Robert's match with a known relative on my mother's side, Mildred. The results for Robert's match with Mildred :
This is how I match with Mildred (note chromosome 15) :
My mother matches Mildred even more (note chromosome 15) :
Because Robert matches on the exact same chromosome in the exact same location to not only me, my mother and Mildred, we have triangulation on this spot, indicating that the match is Identical by Descent, rather than Identical by Segment. Anyone that matches all of us at this same chromosome and segment must be related through the same line. Because the common ancestry between myself and Mildred is Mary Ellen Swafford, so the DNA either came from her or one of her ancestors.
Robert is predicted by 23andMe to be a 3rd to distant cousin. We share just one segment and 0.13% of our DNA. GEDMatch predicted that the estimated number of generations to the MRCA is 5.2 generations.
One of the surname's in Robert's ancestry is Thacker, and there is a Thacker-Swafford connection, but in the correspondence so far, the names do not match up. Robert's tree is just getting started, and I hope that by sending my contact an outline of Swafford ancestry we can find a common name. My thought is that the connection is further up line from Mary Ellen Swafford. She has several female ancestors with unknown maiden names.
The DNA game is an exciting one to play around in, and I appreciate any suggestions or tips.
Friday, May 02, 2014
DNA : Eileen's McMillen match
Was contacted by Retta, a McMillen researcher, in regards to a match with Eileen's DNA on Chromosone 1. She asked to share family trees, and I believe we have a match through the McMillen family.
Eileen's maternal 3rd-great grandfather, James E. McMillen (b. 1811) was born in New York and the family migrated on to Marshall County, Indiana. The theory that Retta and other McMillen researchers is putting forth is that James was the son of the James & Keziah McMillen of Cussewago Twp., Crawford County, Pennsylvania. Retta directed me to another McMillen research, Mary Urban's tree at Ancestry.
This James & Keziah had at least 4 childen who appear in census records in Crawford/Erie Cos., PA as well as Niagara/Erie Cos., NY where members of the Willard family (who married McMillen) are located.
James McMillen was born circa 1780 Rhode Island was buying land in 1829 in Crawford County, Pennsylvania.
The DNA match shows a connection, now it is just a matter of finding the paper records to tie them all together. I have found a few other McMillen's in Marshall County, Indiana and have forwarded their contact information on to Retta. Hopefully, the paper trail will be able to match up soon.
Eileen's maternal 3rd-great grandfather, James E. McMillen (b. 1811) was born in New York and the family migrated on to Marshall County, Indiana. The theory that Retta and other McMillen researchers is putting forth is that James was the son of the James & Keziah McMillen of Cussewago Twp., Crawford County, Pennsylvania. Retta directed me to another McMillen research, Mary Urban's tree at Ancestry.
This James & Keziah had at least 4 childen who appear in census records in Crawford/Erie Cos., PA as well as Niagara/Erie Cos., NY where members of the Willard family (who married McMillen) are located.
James McMillen was born circa 1780 Rhode Island was buying land in 1829 in Crawford County, Pennsylvania.
The DNA match shows a connection, now it is just a matter of finding the paper records to tie them all together. I have found a few other McMillen's in Marshall County, Indiana and have forwarded their contact information on to Retta. Hopefully, the paper trail will be able to match up soon.
Sunday, April 13, 2014
Gedmatch Cousin : Distant Match but no shared DNA
Cousin Dave reached out to me after seeing a match with the GEDCOM file I had posted at GEDmatch.com. Though we are not closely related, and shared no DNA, I found it interesting to make another connection.
Dave and I are 9th cousins once removed on the Jewett and Parratt lines. Ezekiel Jewett (1643-1723) and Faith Parrat are my paternal 9th great-grandparents and Dave's 8th great-grandparents. My line is as follows:
Dave and I also connect as 9th cousins twice removed. on the Spofford and Burpbee lines. Samuel Spofford (1653-1744) and Sarah Burpbee (1660-1729) are my maternal 9th great-grandparents and Sarah is the child of Dave's 8th great-grandparents. My line is as follows:
Dave and I are 9th cousins once removed on the Jewett and Parratt lines. Ezekiel Jewett (1643-1723) and Faith Parrat are my paternal 9th great-grandparents and Dave's 8th great-grandparents. My line is as follows:
Ezekiel Jewett (1643-1723) and Faith Parrat
Francis Jewett (1665-1751) and Sarah Hardy (1673-????)
Samuel Jewett (1694-????) and Ruth Hardy (1699-1737)
Samuel Jewett (1725-1791) and Sarah ________
Sally Jewett (1749-????) and John Philbrick (1748-1840)
Joel Philbrick (1781-1846) and Sally Fox (1788-1868)
Emeline Philbrick (1817-1881) and Albert Moulton (1819-1864)
Clara Moulton (1843-1899) and John Adam Metzner (1840-1895)
Cora Belle Metzner (1868-1955) and Eli Weldon Haley (1866-1957)
(my paternal great-grandparents)
Samuel Spofford (1653-1744) and Sarah Burpbee
Thomas Spofford (1678-????) and Bethiah Hazeltine (1682-????)
Elizabeth Spofford (1715-1772) and Bennett Field (1709-1770)
Bethiah Field (1746-1807) and Seth Pierce (1744-1835)
Gordon Pierce (1773-1875) and Thirsa Smalley (1775-1861)
Francis S. Pierce (1806-1881) and Rebecca Page (1806-1893)
Edmund G. Pierce (1837-1875) and Catherine Groenendyke (1843-1913)
William Francis Pierce (1865-1950) and Clara A. Penisten (1869-1906)
Edna Muriel Pierce (1897-1968) and Virgil Lee Wright (1894-1972)
(my maternal great-grandparents)
Both sets of these families were early settlers of Rowley, Essex County, Massachusetts.
Wednesday, April 02, 2014
Tracking my atDNA matches
I've been spending a lot of time lately maintaining a spreadsheet of my autosomal DNA matches as suggested by Jim Bartlett and detailed at Kitty Cooper's blog. In the meantime I've been reading and trying to learn as much as I can about how autosomal DNA works.
I've added the matching detail and the chromosone mapping from the first set of 23andMe matches as well as those from Gedmatch. I have over 1000 matches at 23andMe alone - it will take me some time to get this all down.
I'm lucky that both of my parents have tested now at 23andme. Mom's results are ready, dad's are just about ready. Because they've been tested, I can easily tell which of my matches come from which side of the family.
Using the spreadsheet, I will triangulate among the matches to identify relatives that match me at the same chromosone segments. This should help identify that we are descended from a common ancestor. Then, hopefully, we can use the family tree information to determine which ancestor.
Right now, I've clearly identified the common ancestors of two matches on my paternal side and one match on the maternal. There is so much more to discover!
Sunday, March 23, 2014
DNA : Wardlaw Connection
Researcher Amanda contacted me because she saw my Gedcom file at Gedmatch.com contained a set of common ancestors with her - William Wardlaw and Jane Harper. They happen to be my maternal 7th-great grandparents.
William born circa 1700 in Scotland or Ireland immigrated to America and ended up in Augusta County, Virginia. Jane Harper's birth and death dates are unknown to me. I show they were the parents of seven children : James, John, Hugh, Joseph, Robert, William and Margaret. They were the generation that fought in the Revolutionary War.
My line comes through Robert born circa 1745 Augusta County, Virginia who settled in Brown County, Ohio. He married circa 1768 to Janet Downey. Amanda's line comes through Hugh Wardlaw born circa 1740 who settled in Abbeville District, South Carolina. He married Elizabeth Coulter.
Taking the information from our kits at Gedmatch, I did the one-to-one match comparison.
William born circa 1700 in Scotland or Ireland immigrated to America and ended up in Augusta County, Virginia. Jane Harper's birth and death dates are unknown to me. I show they were the parents of seven children : James, John, Hugh, Joseph, Robert, William and Margaret. They were the generation that fought in the Revolutionary War.
My line comes through Robert born circa 1745 Augusta County, Virginia who settled in Brown County, Ohio. He married circa 1768 to Janet Downey. Amanda's line comes through Hugh Wardlaw born circa 1740 who settled in Abbeville District, South Carolina. He married Elizabeth Coulter.
Taking the information from our kits at Gedmatch, I did the one-to-one match comparison.
The results show that we have no matching DNA. This can mean a number of things:
- My paper trail genealogy from William Wardlaw and Jane Harper is wrong.
- Amanda's paper trail genealogy from William Wardlaw and Jane Harper is wrong.
- Not enough DNA from William Wardlaw and Jane Harper was passed down to me.
- Not enough DNA from William Wardlaw and Jane Harper was passed down to Amanda.
I've posted at one of the FB groups for DNA genealogy to get opinions of those more seasoned in the DNA genealogy game. So far, it appears that anyone of the options above could be the case.
How secure am I in the paper trail genealogy? Not as secure as I should be. The early generation comes from a compiled Wardlaw genealogy. Robert Wardlaw becomes Wardlow when he gets into Ohio. There is a 45 year gap between William's supposed birth and Roberts. Could there be another generation in between? Very possible.
Either way, more research will need to be done on this line to see if it is valid.
Wednesday, March 19, 2014
GEDmatch Comparison : Cousin Judy
Submitted my raw DNA file from 23andMe to the free third party tool, GEDmatch.com for comparison. GEDmatch allows users from the three main testing sites, 23andMe, FamilyTreeDNA and Ancestry.com upload their raw data files and then the software will compare your autosomal DNA for matches.
While waiting on my file M170652 to be processed for the "one to many" matches, I was able to compare my file using the "one to one" match of my cousin, Judy. We had corresponded years ago, and recently reconnected on Facebook. Judy and I connect on my maternal side and has her mother's file at GEDmatch.
Judy and my mom are 2nd cousins once removed, and Judy and I are 2nd cousins twice removed. Though we already knew this on paper, it's nice to have the connection confirmed through DNA.
I'm eagerly awaiting GEDmatch fully processing my files, so that I can match with other cousins and begin sharing. Another feature of the site is the ability to compare GEDCOMs. I've uploaded a GEDCOM there as well, and the file number is 924805.
While waiting on my file M170652 to be processed for the "one to many" matches, I was able to compare my file using the "one to one" match of my cousin, Judy. We had corresponded years ago, and recently reconnected on Facebook. Judy and I connect on my maternal side and has her mother's file at GEDmatch.
This was the comparison that GEDmatch did on the DNA file of Mildred Crane Moore and myself.
The prediction was 3.4 generations to the MRCA (most recent common ancestor).
Mary Ellen Swafford (common ancestor)
Ida Davis & unknown Mary Florence Gilliland & Thomas Crane (half sisters)
June Gilliland & Clemon Lambertson Mildred Louise Crane & Merrill L. Moore (1st cousins)
Bonnie Lambertson & William Wright Judy Moore & Troy Hill (2nd cousins)
Gloria Wright & Ord LeMaster
Bonnie Lambertson & William Wright Judy Moore & Troy Hill (2nd cousins)
Gloria Wright & Ord LeMaster
Travis LeMaster
I'm eagerly awaiting GEDmatch fully processing my files, so that I can match with other cousins and begin sharing. Another feature of the site is the ability to compare GEDCOMs. I've uploaded a GEDCOM there as well, and the file number is 924805.
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